From: Prometheus Movie Replies: 26
Posted Oct-13-2012 12:21 PM
It's pretty simple actually:
They hate us because we got too close to being Gods. We were not supposed to be this advanced, and if we buy into the story of Jesus Christ being an Engineer sent to Earth (as I believe was hinted by Ridley himself) then it's safe to say we weren't obeying to our "Gods". Therefore our Apocalypse was merely delayed by 2000 years by an unfortunate incident on the Juggernaut.
You can only imagine what the pilot Engineer was thinking when he looked at their own creation building superior beings to itself (David). It was pretty symbolic when he ripped David's head off (the superior being to us) and slapped Weyland across the face with it.
Engineers were not only selfish in trying to maintain the sole role of life givers and death bringers but perhaps they were simply afraid of how far their creations can go, and how much they can achieve. Wouldn't be long before us - humans would rebell against our creators, or maybe we were just too stupid and too violent seeing how we crucified one of our own Gods.
I think Engineers are a selfish bunch of megalomaniacs, aka 'Gods' who seed life for the sole purpose of having control over the circle of life and their creations.
Excuse me if I'm rehashing some ideas already posted on this board.
Screenplay of the movie is a disaster as well as his writer. I have a other question, why did they make pictographs in caves on Earth to call us?, what for? There is not any answer, because man who wrote this movie does not know himself, even Blu- Ray edition can not draw any conclusions of this.
It's really very simple, Mateo. Lindelof left plenty of ambiguities in this movie because he wanted to give a certain sector of the audience the opportunity to use their minds, and the sector that requires spoon-feeding the opportunity to hate him personally. He said as much before the movie hit the theatres (listen to his commentary). I'd say he absolutely succeeded on both counts.
The way I see it they share a similar cold relationship to humans as humans have for example David. It can become easily obsolete and easily replaced. What bugs me is why they left us for so long without coming back. With their technology its like us not checking our cctv for 2000 years!
Engineers do share the same relationship as humans have for androids, except we allowed androids to be better than us, whereas Engineers wanted to keep us in check.
The reason they didn't come to earth for 2000 years is because everyone on the Juggernout was killed off. Other ships could've easily been aimed at other planets scheldued for extermination, who knows.
Not to mention why stone age men left cave paintings of Engineers pointing to that particular solar system. Either they wanted to warn us about those 'military base' planets or it's a huge plot hole.
Im sorry @Kastiron but the original Space Jockey in Alien has been on that planetoid way longer then 2000 years. In fact Mr. Scott has speculated that the crashed Juggernaut has been there hundreds of thousands of years.
I would have to synchronize my watch with Lindelof. The engineer has been sleeping 2000 years, what humanity did so wrong two thousand years ago? When Jesus was crucified and died? Does the Deacon representing Jesus? That's all in conclusion from this gibberish. Very fitting conclusion.
[from Scottt's interview / Empire magazine August 2012]
That does not mean that the downed Juggernaut in Alien was headed towards earth to bomb the planet with alien destruction. If the Engineers did plan that, it wasnt the original Space Jockey who was going to under go that mission. Why do people live to tie in Alien with Prometheous. Everybody wants to be Sherlock Holmes and solve the riddle of the original Space Jockey with there odd theorys and speculations that do not make sense. They live to make what we already know more complicated then it already is. Yes the Engineers did want to bomb earth 2000 years ago. But does that mean it was that one ship that they sent. Come on people if they wanted to bomb earth they would of sent an armada of ships to do it.
@Mateo "Ar one stage" but I think they made the right decision. It was always about curtailing the Roman Empire as well. Now I believe that's the main reason they were mad at us; the Roman Empire who were slaughtering those who stood against the Emperor and the Empire's beliefs.
They weren't mad at all humans, just their chaotic leaders and Empires/kingdoms that were spreading their colonies and influence. Treating the other humans poorly. Emperors don't have to step off the throne... thus they rule until they die. Weyland wanted to live and rule forever... The engineers would not have liked that in this view.
In the overall story we may see the kingdom themes morphed into Empire themes. And David morphed from the closest thing to a prince into a King, then into an Emperor for a short while.
Because even an Emperor has an expiry date and will die or be undone/overthrown eventually-- falling off the throne.
In this story some of the kings/Emperors are naked and think they have the best clothes on. Others were naked and accepted their fate.
Will we ever find out the real answer? I don't know. I would bet, though, that any species —not only humans — that tries to dominate a planet will end up being nasty. It seems to me to be a necessary evolutionary trait for making it to the top. Surely the Engineers would know this. Statistically, we're not going to turn out good by chance alone.
Perhaps the same is true of a species that tries to dominate a galaxy.
It's right there in that quote Mateo posted. "sent down to try to curtail the Roman Empire. They send an emissary. Emissary then gets killed by the potential enemy and the Roman Empire becomes the enemy.
Only the jesus part is pretty much taken out, so we're left with the Romans.
It goes on to say the planned destrution of earth was "retaliation for the crucifixion."
Retaliation against humanity but mainly for the acts of the Roman Empire who become an enemy.
At this point they sought to destroy and re-create us and "upgrade" us possibly to make sure our Empires don't spread into space... or to prevent the advancements and new things the Romans created and re-created from continuing and allowing us to become a threat while united under a chaotic leader who will not give up his rule, like an Emperor or King.
Even if the Jesus part is completely taken out we still have the 2000 years ago thing which places us right where this Empire is gaining its early power.
The Engineers would have been aware of the actions of this Empire.
It doesn't only have to be about jesus, the romans were killing people left right and center and spreading their empire through domination like a virus.
Jesus would have been sent down to meet with them but ends up standing up against them. The other Engineers would have already been aware of the romans if they sent an emissary down to deal with them in some way.
Again if you take Jesus out this is one of the biggest things happening around that time. And it already would have been a part of the Jesus-Engineer thing.
If it had been revealed Jesus was an engineer it still works with the themes because Jesus is described as a king of man-y different things, standing up for people and fighting an Empire...
So, Space Jesus was an ALBINO GOLIATH of a character, standing anywhere from 3m to 5m tall? You'd think that would have been mentioned in The Good Book, "And lo, did Jesus move across the desert with enormous length of thigh and clouds upon his lofty, shimmering brow."
its fictional, Jesus wasnt really a 7ft tall alien either that or nobody could tell he was alien maybe they just thought he was a bit anemic. i think the Jesus thing ties into the sequal remember Shaw still has faith maybe she'll explain to the engineers that not every human agreed with Jesus' death and the brutality of the roman empire. thats if she makes it to Paradise.
And if the jesus story is the one they go with I wonder how they will explain his resurrection. I have a feeling Shaw may insult the engineers not by just turning up on their home-world but by asking who made them too After all her faith remains because she knows something created them too.
As for getting to paradise, why do I have a feeling some rescue ship is going to chase after them and perhaps follow them. I cant imagine the movie will only have Shaw and David.
may be they (engineers) are not our creators and some other life form is thats kinda using them (engineers) to fulfill their agenda think about it.
I know why the Engineer was angry! They woke him up and did read the sign on the pod that said "Do Not Disturb!" That's why he was so pissed off and ripped David's head off.
I bet David didn't even say good morning would you like coffee with sugar and some bacon sausages and eggs easy done or sunny side up? lol
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